I am too old to get that lean without help
my metabolism and natural test levels are shit at 45
I am not saying it could not be done, i am saying it can not be done without sacrificing most of my muscle and strength
You look at these guys with ripped up abs who are clean and they have 12" biceps
I am ok with gear, I will probably use the rest of my life. I'll be 60 and shooting gear and gh


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