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I was pointed in the direction of this forum by a decent guy I been chattin' to online and he said I might be able to get some good advice on here about how to do my first cycle - it seems there's so much information out there about where's best to start.

In short I want to bulk up - been training for 5 years, but had never trained before that i orginally started cos' I didn't realise after 25 you start to spread! I got the bug and love my training now - admitedly it's only in the last 18 months I've really got the focus better and tried to keep my diet in better check, that got pretty good results - but not the size I wanna be.

I'm 34 now 5'10'' and at a plateaux. I'm about 13% BF and train 4 times a week split compound and do some boxing for cardio. So I wanna take the step over and start a cycle - the common advice seems to be a low dosage 4 week cycle of dbol paired with something like nolvadex to keep the benefits - but do I need something for PCT? But also for a newbie they also suggest deca but as far as I can tell this is only injected and I'm not ready to go there, can you suggest anything cheers people.

Nice to meet you buddy

D bol for me is a good tool for pre-training 20mg so i use it every other day. If I use it every day at say 30mg my appetite rapidly disappears, i hold lots of water even on low carbs and after about four weeks actually feel quite ill. But in saying that you are not me so you may not react the same.

The key to getting the most out of any cycle IMO is consistency in training...hard heavy and brief. Diet...clean high protein moderate carbs and good fats and lots of rest. No doubt you will have heard all this before but it does get over looked by everyone now and again.

I know you said you where not ready for injectable but the best gains you will ever get from any cycle are from your first cycle.

I would go with 300mg of test enanthate or cyp for 12 weeks and 20mg of dbol pre workout for the first 4 weeks

If thats not your cup of tea then some thing like d-bol 30-50mg a day for 3 week then winstrol 50mg a day for 3 week and the same pct as below.

for pct start with the basic of nolvadex 20mg a day for 30 days plus clomid 50mg a day for 21 days and hcg 1000iu evey other day for 10 days before you start the nolvadex and clomid.

pct is where the battle to keep gains is won or lost.

Hey Dan, firstly a warm welcome to you.

Ok, firstly regarding injecting, it is the safest way to do a cycle, having said that, theres nothing wrong with doing an oral only and it gives you a taste of what can be achieved.
So what orals do we have! Well, since it is your first cycle, my advice would be to try a cycle of dbol.
30mg a day for 6 weeks will give you a great insight into juicing!
Im not going to lie to you, after you finish the dbol, you are going to lose alot of the weight you added, because most of the weight you add will be water weight, BUT that doesnt mean you will lose everything because with correct pct and diet you wont.
30mg a day for 6 weeks is going to shut your natural test levels down but not massively.
A cycle of clomid when you finish will help your nat levels return quicker and id imagine 6 weeks later and your ready to go again.
golden rule - be off for as long as you was on!

You MAY need nolvadex on hand incase you do start seeing signs of gyno although its not a definate you will see any signs of gyno.
I have done some massive amounts of dbol and never needed to use nolvadex, but i know others that have used only 30mg a day of dbol and needed nolva.
If you are going to buy dbol, dont buy crap stuff. Shop around, there is some great dbol in the uk at the moment such as the bdeu dbol or the ugl dbol.
The pink thai anabol i have never been a fan off and it really is hit and miss and faked alot. The danabol i have never tried but have heard it isnt alot of cop and the naposims you dont see so often nowadays and as great as they are, they are only 5mg each tab.

So for quick gains and an introduction into chemical enhancing dbol would be my choice for a first cycle for someone who does not want to use injectables.(shame though, lol)

ps, For slow but sure gains that will hang about Anavar is a better choice, unfortunately it is very expensive and you do have to take quite abit of it to see any real differences. It certainly would not be the same enjoyable growth you would experience with dbol although it would be slightly more permanent, plus you dont get the feel good factor with Anavar that you do get with dbol.
As Arnie said, dbol is the breakfast of champions!

Goodluck.

My god you can type fast Straad. ^^^^^very good advice^^^^

Out of curiosity how much protein do you take in Straad?

Originally Posted by Thomas

My god you can type fast Straad. ^^^^^very good advice^^^^

Out of curiosity how much protein do you take in Straad?

He does dont he. Types faster than me and i always thought i typed pretty quick
Guys a fkin girl, lol.

Actually what he says is good advice, but the thing is, if you already got your heart and head set on using, not alot is going to change your mind! Did it ever change ur minds? I know it didnt for me.
I mean look how many guys actually start juicing when they come back from a layoff. I know SOOO many!
They havent been the gym for over 6months, and decide to get back into it, and immediately use the juice even though they would grow like a weed without it for 3months anyway!
Steroids should be used when you finally reach that plateau and as Straad said, when everything else has been exhausted which includes, Diet, Training, Rest and recuperation, Supplements such as Whey, Creatine should be your first stop at least!

My god you can type fast Straad. ^^^^^very good advice^^^^

Out of curiosity how much protein do you take in Straad?

I got this female work colleague who is known for typing up the equivalent of 4 pages of printed paper of continuous text all on her Blackberry

Moving on though, not much else to say here besides the fact you've just got some of the best advice on the Internet

Welcome to GMJ by the way.......

First of all thanks Straad, Lewi and Thomas for all giving me such decent replies so quick. It's clearly sound advice, when I first started looking through forums and websites a few month ago there seemed to be a lot of opinionated shit flying round and unhelpful answers to similar questions - Straad your answer in particular has left me thinking about whether the time is right or not now.

In answer to the culprit - I reckon it's diet, I probably could do with upping the protein in my diet and getting meals at the right time unfortunately I work a lot of anti-social shifts and that makes it tricky to always eat at the same time every day and as I'm freelance - it can change day by day and week by week, but other than that I think what I eat is pretty good.

Regarding size I train with another guy sometimes and he reckons I've got good potential for growth and size given the improvements I've made particularly in the last year or so. I know however he's not into gear (even though he's a decent size too).

Well I'm going to mull over this advice a bit more but I can't thank you enough guys for your honest and excellent advice.

Spot on advice Straad. Too many think AS is the quick fix and get frustrated when they lose their cycle gains.

Although I agree with Straad and Graham's views I can see why folk look to steroids for an easy win. I'm no where near to my potential size currently because family commitments etc my training has sloped off. I know that with the right meds I will be back up to shape in only a few weeks of training. FACT. Also different steds mean different losses in any gain post cycle. DBOL is great in making your strong as an ox whilst your on, but i reckon 50% of what you gain could drop straight off. Plus DBOL can lead to itchy nips etc.

If your serious about juicing try to over come the fear of pins, I was seriously nervous when I first injected but if you do your homework www.spotinjections.com , keep everything involved nice and clean you'll be fine and injectables are way less harsh on your liver. Go with a little test only (test cyp or en) cycle at low doses (150-250mgs a week) and see how you fair. You'd only have to inject once a week.

But if its tablets only I'd try anavar only because what little you might gain you'll keep